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A fact from Susan Billy appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 December 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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New enough, and (barely) long enough. QPQ done. But the sentence in the article supporting the hook, "Billy has been the featured weaver and/or guest curator presenting Pomo basket weaving techniques at New York's Museum of Natural History, Brooklyn Museum, the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian, De Young Museum, Mendocino County Museum, and the National Museum of Natural History in Washington D.C.", is uncomfortably close to a direct copy of the corresponding sentence from source https://web.archive.org/web/19991013042848/http://www.mcn.org/A/mendoart/ae/199903/susan.html, "Susan has been the featured weaver or guest curator at New York's Museum of Natural History, Brooklyn Museum, National Museum of the American Indian/The Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C., The De Young Museum in San Francisco, the Mendocino County Museum in Willits, and last year in an exhibition at the National Museum of Natural History in Washington D.C. where she presented Pomo basket weaving techniques": the only differences are moving one clause to the end, using a different form of her name, and changing "or" to the more awkward "and/or". Even the ordering of the museums is the same. All material on Wikipedia must be written in your own words, not merely copied and lightly tweaked to disguise the copying. Additionally, at roughly 333 characters, the hook is way over the 200 character limit. Please suggest alternative hooks that are within rules and not merely a laundry list of showings. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review, David Eppstein. I had missed how close that wording was to the ref, but fixed it (let me know what you think).
The paraphrasing is better. The new hooks are within rules for length, but not quite there. Beyond the minor spelling correction ("baseket") the sentence in the article supporting the hook needs a footnote, and that is not currently true: although the article says her grandmother was a weaver, the only footnoted sentence about her grandmother is the one about her death. And the article doesn't actually say what the book was about, it only gives its title (which hints at its topic but is not the same as saying what the topic is directly). I prefer ALT1 but I have the suspicion that both hooks could be made punchier. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
David Eppstein Fixed the spelling. How about this alternate?
New enough, and (barely) long enough. QPQ done. But the sentence in the article supporting the hook, "Billy has been the featured weaver and/or guest curator presenting Pomo basket weaving techniques at New York's Museum of Natural History, Brooklyn Museum, the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian, De Young Museum, Mendocino County Museum, and the National Museum of Natural History in Washington D.C.", is uncomfortably close to a direct copy of the corresponding sentence from source https://web.archive.org/web/19991013042848/http://www.mcn.org/A/mendoart/ae/199903/susan.html, "Susan has been the featured weaver or guest curator at New York's Museum of Natural History, Brooklyn Museum, National Museum of the American Indian/The Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C., The De Young Museum in San Francisco, the Mendocino County Museum in Willits, and last year in an exhibition at the National Museum of Natural History in Washington D.C. where she presented Pomo basket weaving techniques": the only differences are moving one clause to the end, using a different form of her name, and changing "or" to the more awkward "and/or". Even the ordering of the museums is the same. All material on Wikipedia must be written in your own words, not merely copied and lightly tweaked to disguise the copying. Additionally, at roughly 333 characters, the hook is way over the 200 character limit. Please suggest alternative hooks that are within rules and not merely a laundry list of showings. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Good to go with ALT3 (and with WP:AGF on the two offline sources). —David Eppstein (talk) 19:59, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
